ramaharekrishna

  • Subscribe to our RSS feed.
  • Twitter
  • StumbleUpon
  • Reddit
  • Facebook
  • Digg

Tuesday, June 8, 2010

Ramana Maharshi says There are grades only in the experience of the jiva and not in Reality

Posted on 1:12 AM by Unknown
Devotee: “There must be stages of progress for gaining the Absolute. Are there grades of Reality?”

Bhagavan: “There are no grades of Reality. There are grades in the experience of the jiva.”

Note: “Grades of Reality?” Reality is perfect because it is partless, integral, and changeless, or else it contradicts itself.So, Reality is not affected by evolution, nor is it divisible into a number of imperfect beings who need the evolution to attain perfection. We have seen elsewhere that the jiva is the Self itself, but deluded.

The appearance of multiplicity of jivas is an illusion due to the unfoldment of the senses which create qualities and hence differences. Bhagavan says that it is not the Self that has grades but the experiences of the jivas. Thus the difference between the savage and the Jnani is one of experience, that is, of mental outlooks and not of substance — of being.

Devotee: “There is a multiplicity of jivas. Jivas are certainly many.”

Bhagavan: “Jiva is called so because he sees the world. A dreamer sees many jivas in dream, but all of them are not real. The dreamer alone exists and he sees all. So it is with the individuals and the world.”

Note: The critics argue that if the world is the senses, as Vedanta says, individual senses would show exclusively individual worlds, so that there would be as many worlds as there are human beings with no connection with one another,which experience disproves.

Bhagavan answers that all the senses, all the men and all the worlds are the dreams or thoughts of the jiva, which alone exists as the dreamer or thinker. As the jiva in dream sees other jivas with bodies and senses, without any of them enjoying real existence, so it does in the waking state (jagrat).

Jagrat is called waking only in comparison with the dream state known to us, because the senses are then all out to intensify the illusion of a real external world, whereas the dream state feeds on mere impressions carried over from the state of jagrat, and not on the senses, which are then withdrawn.

Source: REFLECTIONS ON TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI By S.S. COHEN

My Spiritual Friends Subramanian and Udai garu wants to add few points

Yes. Reality is only One and partless and without differences.

Kaivalya Navaneetam however says that there are 7 Jnana Bhoomis, the Lands of Wisdom.

And there are 4 types of Jivan Muktas.

The Sadhakas reach subeccha, vicharana and dhanumansi. They
are not Jivan Muktas. They attain heaven and some posts like
Indra and then come back to earth to pursue their sadhana.

The one who reaches the fourth stage, is Brahmavid.
The one who reaches the fifth stage, is Brahmavidvara,
The one who reaches the sixth stage, is Brahmavidavariya.
The one who reaches the seventh state is, Brahmavidvarishta.

The fourth stage is called Sattvapatti. The fifth is Asamsatti,
the sixth is Pathartha bhavana, he seventh is Turiya.

(Kaivalya Navaneetam, Verses 255-257).

Udai garu says,

Essentially one who knows that he is Consciousness can be said to have the knowledge.
But if it gets limited to the mind and he or she is not able to remain totally detached due to vasanas, they live like ordinary humans. But in such cases, the vasanas will eventually dissolve.and as the vasanas dissolve they gain conviction that they are Consciousness and start owning it up.

The process is slow. And i think it cannot be forced to happen fast.As Kabir says:

Dheere Dheere re mana. Dheere sab kuch hoye [Slowly, Slowly oh mind! Slowly everything happens].Maali seenche sau ghada , ritu aye phal hoye kabira, rithu aye phal hoye [The garder may water the plant with 100 pots of water.but it will give fruits only when its season].

With spiritual practice also, one has to allow things to happen ... slowly, but without stopping, one should start to remain as Self.
Email ThisBlogThis!Share to XShare to FacebookShare to Pinterest
Posted in jivan muktas, kabir, Realisation, reality, realization, sadhana, waking and dream | No comments
Newer Post Older Post Home

0 comments:

Post a Comment

Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)

Popular Posts

  • Ramana Maharshi's 100 frequently asked question answers
    52. Question: How to meditate? Bhagavan: Being aware of the Self is the real meditation. When the mind gives up its habit of choosing and de...
  • Ramana Maharshi answers Why does he take milk, but not eggs?
    4th February, 1935 Talk 24. Mrs. Piggott: Why do you take milk, but not eggs? Maharshi: The domesticated cows yield more milk than necessary...
  • Reasons why Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni Did Not Attain Liberation?
    Author Of "Happiness And Art Of Living" Micheal James writes to me the reasons why Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni Did Not Attain Liberat...
  • Part1 - Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra's Atma Vidya Vilasam
    Atma Vidya Vilasam, is a brief composition of 43 slokas by Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra. Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra,is a Brahma Jnani, who was walki...
  • Paul Brunton And Major Chadwick's primary criticism of Ramana Maharshi
    Brunton felt that Ramana took no stand on issues like the coming war. Brunton seems particularly upset by an incident when news was brought ...
  • Bhaja Govindam by Sri Shankaracharya
    I request readers to view and listen Pravachanam By Sri Sundara Chaitanya Swami in telugu . There are totally 8 Volumes and in each volume t...
  • Ramana Maharshi About Causal,Subtle And Gross Bodies
    Each one of us has his own experience, namely dreamless sleep. At that time we have neither the gross nor subtle body. The mind having comp...
  • Nochur Venkataraman introduction of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi to school children in kerala
    Once Nochur Venkataraman was invited to a primary school in Thrissur, Kerala to speak about Bhagavan Ramana. He went to a class of small ch...
  • Ramana Maharshi Devotee Ramanatha Brahmachari
    Ramanatha Brahmachari,was a young boy,studying in Temple Veda Patasala.He is a man of puny structure,hardly 5 feet tall,with thick spectacle...
  • Ramana Maharshi About Different Types Of Samadhis
    The following brief definitions formulated by Bhagavan Ramana should be sufficient to guide the uninititated through the terminological jun...

Categories

  • 100 frequent questions (1)
  • 3 donkey story (1)
  • A forward mail received from PracticeofSelfInquiry groups (1)
  • A forward mail received from Viprasamhita groups (1)
  • A. W. Chadwick (4)
  • accomplishments (1)
  • Adhyatma Upanishad (1)
  • adi sankara (15)
  • Advaita Makaranda (1)
  • advice (1)
  • ahalya (1)
  • Aitareya Upanishad (1)
  • Akshi Upanishad (1)
  • alagammal (3)
  • alagammal samdhi (1)
  • alamelu (1)
  • allotted role (1)
  • america (1)
  • anaesthetics (1)
  • Ananda (1)
  • Ananthachari (1)
  • Andavan Pichhai (1)
  • andhra women (1)
  • anger (1)
  • animals (6)
  • Annamalai Swami (4)
  • annapurna stotram (1)
  • Annapurna Upanishad (1)
  • Annual Ceremonies (1)
  • arrogance of bhagavan ramana as told by U.G (1)
  • Ashtavakra Gita (6)
  • athiest (2)
  • atma bodha (2)
  • Atma Vichara Patikam (1)
  • Atma Vidya Vilasam (3)
  • Atyam Suryam (1)
  • aurobindo (1)
  • Avatara Rahasyam of bhagavan (1)
  • awareness (3)
  • Awareness Watching Awareness (1)
  • bath (1)
  • begging (1)
  • bhajagovindam (1)
  • bhakthi (1)
  • Bhramarakita (1)
  • Bhramarakita Nyaya (1)
  • birth (2)
  • birth and death (4)
  • birth control (1)
  • body (3)
  • bondage (2)
  • books (1)
  • Brahmacharya (1)
  • Brahmasri Nochur Venkataraman (2)
  • Brahmasthram (1)
  • budai (1)
  • Buddha (1)
  • Buddhism (1)
  • carrots (1)
  • caste (1)
  • Causal (1)
  • Chadwick (3)
  • chaitanya mahaprabhu (1)
  • chalam (3)
  • charity (1)
  • child and jnani (1)
  • children (1)
  • Chinnaswami (1)
  • Christianity (2)
  • Chronological Events (1)
  • Coffin (1)
  • concentration (2)
  • consciousness (2)
  • cook (1)
  • creation (2)
  • criticism of ramana (1)
  • crocodile (1)
  • D.K. Pattammal (1)
  • Dakshinamurthy Stotram (1)
  • Dattatreya (1)
  • david godman (3)
  • Dawa Drolma (1)
  • death (2)
  • deep sleep (3)
  • deepak chopra (9)
  • delog (1)
  • desires (2)
  • destiny (3)
  • Detachment (2)
  • Devi Mahatyam (1)
  • devotion (1)
  • Dhatus (1)
  • dhyana (3)
  • Disasters (1)
  • dosa (1)
  • doubts (2)
  • Draupadi (2)
  • Drik drishya vivekam (8)
  • Drik Drisya Viveka (5)
  • drishti-srishti vada (2)
  • drumsticks (1)
  • duty (1)
  • dvaita and advaita (2)
  • Dwaita (1)
  • Dwaita and Vishishtadwaita and Advaita (1)
  • dwesha (2)
  • earthquakes (1)
  • Echamma (1)
  • Echammal (1)
  • ego (16)
  • Ekanath (1)
  • Ekatma Panchakam (1)
  • europe (1)
  • evolution of karma (1)
  • experience (1)
  • Explorers (1)
  • eyes (1)
  • famines (1)
  • fear (3)
  • food (8)
  • Francis Allen (1)
  • Free-will (3)
  • Ganapati Muni (3)
  • ganesan (1)
  • ganja (1)
  • Garbha Upanishad (1)
  • gayatri (1)
  • goat (1)
  • god (2)
  • good and bad (1)
  • grihasta (2)
  • gross (1)
  • guru (2)
  • GURU VACHAKA KOVAI (14)
  • h.w.l poonja (1)
  • habits (1)
  • hanuman chalisa (10)
  • happiness (1)
  • harijan (1)
  • hatha yoga (1)
  • heart (1)
  • householder (5)
  • Humility (1)
  • illusion (1)
  • indirect knowledge (1)
  • Individuality (1)
  • inspired talks (1)
  • j krishnamurti (4)
  • J. Krishnamurti (1)
  • jesus (3)
  • jivan muktas (3)
  • jivanmukti (2)
  • Jivatma (2)
  • jnana (1)
  • jnana bhoomikas (1)
  • Jnana Indriyas (2)
  • jnanis (1)
  • K. K. Nambiar (1)
  • kabir (1)
  • Kaivalya Navaneeta (1)
  • kamakshi (1)
  • Kameswara Rao (1)
  • Kanakammal (2)
  • karma (3)
  • Karma Indriyas (1)
  • karna (1)
  • katha upanishad (1)
  • Kaupeena Panchakam (1)
  • kavyakantha (4)
  • kevala (1)
  • kevala nirvikalpa (1)
  • Knowledge (1)
  • kollu (1)
  • Krishnaswami (1)
  • Kunju Swami (2)
  • Lakshmana Sarma (25)
  • lakshyartha (1)
  • laughing buddha (1)
  • Lazy (1)
  • liberation (1)
  • Lingza Chokyi (1)
  • lokamma (2)
  • lord krishna (2)
  • love (1)
  • M. S. Madhava Rau (1)
  • M. V. Krishnan (1)
  • madi (1)
  • Mahalakshmi (3)
  • Mahatma Gandhiji (2)
  • Maitreya Upanishad (1)
  • Mandukya Upanishad (1)
  • Maneesha Panchakam (1)
  • manonasha (3)
  • Materialists (2)
  • Maurice Frydman (1)
  • maya (4)
  • medicine given to murugunar (1)
  • meditation (3)
  • mental factory (1)
  • Michael James (2)
  • Michael Langford (1)
  • mind (36)
  • Mind of J. Krishnamurti (1)
  • Mira Bai (1)
  • Misery (2)
  • mithya (1)
  • Moda (1)
  • money (1)
  • monkey (2)
  • mosquito (2)
  • mouna (1)
  • Movie (1)
  • Mudaliar Patti (1)
  • mukti (1)
  • Munagala S. Venkataramiah (1)
  • Muruganar (1)
  • N. Balaram Reddy (1)
  • Narasimha (1)
  • Narayana Iyer (2)
  • neo-advaitins (1)
  • no need to know about god know source of us (1)
  • onions (1)
  • Oruganti (1)
  • Oruganti Ramachandraiah (1)
  • Padma (1)
  • Padma Venkataraman (1)
  • pain (1)
  • Pall-bearer (1)
  • Pancha Koshas (4)
  • panchadasi (9)
  • Panilenivadu (1)
  • Paramartika (1)
  • Paramatma (2)
  • patanjali (1)
  • patience of ramana (1)
  • Pattammal (1)
  • paul Brunton (2)
  • peace (1)
  • peacock (1)
  • Perumal swami (1)
  • Perumalswami (1)
  • photo kavyakanta ramana (1)
  • pichu iyer (1)
  • piety (1)
  • Pillai (1)
  • Plague (1)
  • poem (1)
  • prakruti (1)
  • Pramoda (1)
  • Pranas (1)
  • prarabdha (3)
  • Pratibhasika (1)
  • pride (2)
  • Priya (1)
  • Prof. V. B. Athavale (1)
  • puja (1)
  • pure and impure mind (4)
  • radio (1)
  • raga (2)
  • rains (1)
  • raja iyer (2)
  • Ramachandraiah (1)
  • ramakrishna (5)
  • ramana about ramakrishna (1)
  • ramana answers Christian missionary (1)
  • ramana knows vivekananda works before 1901 (1)
  • ramana Paravidyopanishad (25)
  • ramana read all books of Brunton (1)
  • Ramanananda Saraswati (1)
  • Ramanatha (1)
  • Ramanatha Brahmachari (1)
  • Ramaswami (1)
  • ravi ramanan (1)
  • ravi sankar (2)
  • Realisation (4)
  • reality (1)
  • realization (4)
  • Richard Dawkins (1)
  • Ritual (1)
  • Rosita (1)
  • s.s cohen (2)
  • Sadasiva Brahmendra (3)
  • sadhana (3)
  • sadhu om (1)
  • Sadhu Trivenigiri Swami (1)
  • sage (1)
  • sahaja (1)
  • sahaja nirvikalpa (3)
  • sahaja samadhi (3)
  • Samadhi (2)
  • Sandehi Yarendru Sandehi (1)
  • Sandhyavandana (1)
  • sankara vijayam (14)
  • Sanyasam (1)
  • sat-sanga (1)
  • Satyananda (1)
  • scientists (1)
  • second and third person objects (1)
  • seer (1)
  • self (6)
  • self-enquiry (8)
  • self-satisfaction (1)
  • Sellaperumal (1)
  • semen (1)
  • senses (2)
  • seven words on cross (1)
  • Siksastaka (1)
  • Siksha Valli (1)
  • silence (1)
  • silentgreen (2)
  • simplicity (4)
  • sins (1)
  • Sivaprakasam (1)
  • Sivaprakasam Pillai (1)
  • somnambulism (1)
  • squirrels (1)
  • srimad bhagavatam about mind (1)
  • srishti-drishti vada (1)
  • Strange and mysterious world (1)
  • Sub-Registrar Narayana Iyer (2)
  • Subtle (1)
  • suffering (2)
  • sundara chaitanya swami (11)
  • sundara mandiram (1)
  • Suri Nagamma (10)
  • surrender (1)
  • surya narayana raju (10)
  • Suryam (1)
  • swami Chidbhavananda (1)
  • swami Iswarananda (1)
  • Swami Madhavananda (2)
  • Swami Satyananda (1)
  • swami Siddheswarananda (1)
  • swami sivananda (18)
  • Swami Suddhanandaji (1)
  • Swami Vivekananda (1)
  • Swaminathan (1)
  • T.P.Ramachandra Iyer (1)
  • Taittiriya Upanishad (3)
  • tamil nan yaar about mind (1)
  • Taoism (1)
  • tapas (1)
  • tat bhavati (1)
  • Tayumanavar (1)
  • teachings of ramana (33)
  • Thirukkural (1)
  • tibet (1)
  • tpr (1)
  • Transition Stage (1)
  • triad (2)
  • triputi (3)
  • turiya (4)
  • U.G. Krishnamurti (1)
  • ulladu narpadu (4)
  • universal form (3)
  • upadesa saram (2)
  • upadesa Undiyar (2)
  • V. Ganapati Sthapati (1)
  • V. Kameswara Rao (2)
  • V. Ramachandran (1)
  • vachyartha (1)
  • Vaikuntavasar (1)
  • Vaisaradhi Buddhi (1)
  • Vaishnavites (1)
  • varnasrama (1)
  • vasanas (1)
  • Vedanta Panchadasi (9)
  • Venkateswara Sarma (1)
  • Vidyaranya Swami (9)
  • Vishishtadwaita (1)
  • viswanathan about mind (2)
  • Vittoba (1)
  • viveka Choodamani (2)
  • vivekananda (5)
  • Vritti (9)
  • Vyavaharika (1)
  • waking and dream (15)
  • who am i in annapurna upanishad (1)
  • who-am-i (1)
  • why bhagavan does not touch money (1)
  • why self is not realised 5 stories (1)
  • with and without form (1)
  • witness (2)
  • women (1)
  • work (1)
  • world (6)
  • yaksha prasna (1)
  • Yat bhavam (1)
  • yoga (1)
  • yoga sutras (1)
  • yoga vasistha (1)
  • yoga vasistha about mind (1)
  • yoga-vaishta-sara (1)
  • Yogi Shuddhananda Bharati (1)
  • Zen (3)

Blog Archive

  • ►  2013 (29)
    • ►  September (1)
    • ►  July (1)
    • ►  June (4)
    • ►  May (4)
    • ►  April (1)
    • ►  March (9)
    • ►  February (9)
  • ►  2012 (7)
    • ►  November (2)
    • ►  August (1)
    • ►  March (2)
    • ►  February (2)
  • ►  2011 (46)
    • ►  December (1)
    • ►  November (13)
    • ►  September (1)
    • ►  August (2)
    • ►  July (8)
    • ►  June (3)
    • ►  May (4)
    • ►  April (4)
    • ►  March (5)
    • ►  January (5)
  • ▼  2010 (417)
    • ►  December (2)
    • ►  November (19)
    • ►  October (24)
    • ►  September (16)
    • ►  August (46)
    • ►  July (38)
    • ▼  June (59)
      • Ramana Maharshi Says Manonasha(Destruction Of The ...
      • Ramana Maharshi Says Even When We Have Thoughts We...
      • MIND IS ALL By Swami SIVANANDA
      • Ramana Maharshi Disciple SilentGreen about Univers...
      • Suryanarayana Raju: Witnessing consciousness in Se...
      • Puthana's Liberation
      • Seven Words On the Cross by Jesus Christ
      • Final Part - Few Teachings Of Ramana Maharshi
      • Part 2 - Few Teachings Of Ramana Maharshi
      • Part 1 - Few Teachings Of Ramana Maharshi
      • Few Poems On Ramana Maharshi
      • Sri Ramakrishna Quotes on Divine Love
      • Famous Quotes from Thirukkural
      • Can the mind do Self-inquiry? By Sri Surya Narayan...
      • Final Part - Reality In Forty Verses (Ulladu Narpa...
      • Part 1- Reality In Forty Verses (Ulladu Narpadu) :...
      • Final Part - Reality in Forty Verses (Ulladu Narpadu)
      • Part 1 - Reality in Forty Verses (Ulladu Narpadu)
      • Pure awareness--Ego awareness and Self-inquiry By ...
      • Final Part - Thus Spake Ramana
      • Part 3 - Thus Spake Ramana
      • Part 2 - Thus Spake Ramana
      • Part 1 - Thus Spake Ramana
      • Ramana Maharshi About Pure And Impure Mind
      • Ramana Maharshi Says Jnani Belongs To The Fourth S...
      • Ramana Maharshi Says State Of Sahaja Nirvikalpa Al...
      • Legend Behind Bhagavan Ramana's Upadesa Saram
      • Is there a need to achieve anything in this world?...
      • Final Part - Few Talks Of Bhagavan Ramana
      • Part 3 - Few Talks Of Bhagavan Ramana
      • Part 2 - Few Talks Of Bhagavan Ramana
      • Part 1 - Few Talks Of Bhagavan Ramana
      • Ramana Maharshi Views About Hatha Yoga
      • The Secret of the Laughing Buddha
      • Reason Why Angaraparna Addresses Arjuna As 'tapatya'
      • Final Part - Few Thoughts of Ramana Maharshi
      • Part 3 - Few Thoughts of Ramana Maharshi
      • Part 2 - Few Thoughts of Ramana Maharshi
      • Part 1 - Few Thoughts of Ramana Maharshi
      • Sri SuryaNarayana Raju about The nature of conscio...
      • Siksastaka By Chaitanya Mahaprabhu
      • Taittiriya Upanishad Siksha Valli
      • Ramana Maharshi Disciple S.S Cohen Recollects How ...
      • Ramana Maharshi Disciple S.S Cohen Recollects A In...
      • Hanuman Chalisa - Verse 14 And 15
      • Ramana Maharshi Says Mukti Has To Be Gained In Ful...
      • Ramana Maharshi Says Link Between The Subject And ...
      • Ramana Maharshi Says There Is Neither Past Nor Fut...
      • Ramana Maharshi Disciple S.S Cohen Shares His Expe...
      • Ramana Maharshi says There are grades only in the ...
      • Sandehi Yarendru Sandehi ! (Doubt the Doubter !) a...
      • Atma Vichara Patikam (Eleven Verses on Self-Enquir...
      • Ramana Maharshi Disciple Says Clinging To Self-att...
      • Ramana Maharshi Says Turiya State Is Alone Real An...
      • Ramana Maharshi Says Both Bondage And Liberation A...
      • Inauguration of Renovated Sri Sundara Mandiram -Ti...
      • Ramana Maharshi Devotee H.W.L.Poonja Shares His Ex...
      • Answer To Aspiriants Who Say Self-enquiry Is Alrea...
      • Ramana Maharshi About Causal,Subtle And Gross Bodies
    • ►  May (21)
    • ►  April (62)
    • ►  March (104)
    • ►  February (26)
Powered by Blogger.

About Me

Unknown
View my complete profile