Ramana Maharshi Answers To "As God Guides Everyone Then What Is The Use Of Guru's Instructions To People"?

16th December, 1938

Talk 596.

A visitor asked: Sri Bhagavan said last night that God is guiding us.

Then why should we make an effort to do anything?

M.: Who asks you to do so? If there was that faith in the guidance of God this question would not have arisen.

D.: The fact is that God guides us. Then what is the use of these instructions to people?

M.: They are for those who seek instructions. If you are firm in your belief in the guidance of God, stick to it, and do not concern yourself with what happens around you.

Furthermore, there may be happiness or misery. Be equally indifferent to both and abide in the faith of God. That will be so only when one’s faith is strong that God looks after all of us.

Mr. Chopra asked: “How shall I secure that firm faith?”

M.: Exactly. It is for such as these who want instructions. There are persons who seek freedom from misery. They are told that God guides all and so there need not be any concern about what happens.If they are of the best type they at once believe it and firmly abide by faith in God.

But there are others who are not so easily convinced of the truth of the bare statement. They ask: “Who is God? What is His nature? Where is He? How can He be realised?” and so on.

In order to satisfy them intellectual discussion is found necessary.Statements are made, their pros and cons are argued,and the truth is thus made clear to the intellect.

When the matter is understood intellectually the earnest seeker begins to apply it practically. He argues at every moment, “For whom are these thoughts? Who am I?” and so forth, until he is well-established in the conviction that a Higher Power guides us.That is firmness of faith. Then all his doubts are cleared and he needs no further instructions.

Sources:

1) TALKS WITH SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI
2) Arunachala's Ramana Volume III Book

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If this life itself is a dream then does Ramana Maharshi exist only in that dream?

Question:

Ramana says “Waking is long and a dream short; other than this there is no difference. Just as waking happenings seem real while awake, so do those in a dream while dreaming."

If this life itself is a dream then

1) Does even Ramana or for that matter whoever is replying to this question exist only in my dream?

2) Does it mean I'm (self) all alone and everything else including all people and things is fictitious?

3) So the teachings provided by Ramana and other gurus are happening in my dream only?

Answer:

There is an elephant in the forest.The elephant is scared about the Lion in the forest.The Lion has not appeared before the elephant in recent times. It was once sighted and the elephant became totally afraid of lion. One night, the elephant dreamt of the Lion, it got scared even its dream about the Lion. It woke up with a huge cry.There was not Lion. Only it was there. The elephant got self realized.

All are dreams. But unlike the elephant's dream, our dream about Bhagavan Ramana is a pleasant dream. But this dream should also end one day, when you would really wake up.That waking is the realization.

...After an ‘I’ rises, everything rises… -- Ulladu Narpadu verse 23

Bhagavan Ramana says in Who am I?: There is no difference between dream and waking up, excepting the former is short and the latter is long.

We are living in a long dream.Lion was sighted once.That is,we came from the Brahman, as the game started.It is however,a pleasant dream. When we wake up we are Brahman again.

This waking up need not be only when one leaves the body.For most of the enquirers it is afer leaving the body.But people like Sankara, Saint Manikkavachagar and Bhagavan
Ramana, the waking up took place while in dream itself! However,they continued in the dream life for some years in full waking state.This is Sahaja Samadhi.Waking up after the body is discarded is Nirvikalpa Samadhi.Waking up, again getting into dream and again waking up, this game is Savikalpa Samadhi.

Bhagavan Ramana used to tell one story:

Once two persons were sleeping in a hall.Both were poor.During the sleep, one man was dreaming.He dreamt that he is a very rich person and he has stacked all the gold and currency in a cupboard.And a thief comes and takes away all the gold and currency, and runs away.The dreaming man shouts in shock: "O! the thief is running away with all my wealth.

Please catch him, please catch him...."

The other man woke up. He was not dreaming anything, neither the thief, nor the gold and currency. What shall he do? Will he run out to the front yard to catch the thief? Will he rush to the police station to complain? He will simply wake that wailing man from sleep and dream.

The Guru is like the man who wakes us, the dreaming men, up.The only difference is that the Guru is within your Heart.

The state where "I-thought" is not there, even in a trice,is Swarupam. This is called as Silence. I am Swarupam.The world is Swarupam. Isvara is Swarupam. All are Siva-Swarupam."

When we are not with Self, then we are with dreams. so, to contact us, It is something like Ramana comes to our dream by taking a form of a human body and says to us please come out of dreams...

Source: http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=3713.msg0#new

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