Ramana Maharshi Disciple Sadhu Om About Two Meanings Of Mind

The word ‘mind’ is generally taken to be a collective name for the whole multitude of thoughts, although in actual fact the only fundamental and essential characteristic of the mind is the root thought ‘I’, the first person singular feeling.

Thus the word ‘mind’ may be said to have two meanings. Its primary meaning is the subjective aspect of the mind, namely the first person thought ‘I’, while its secondary meaning is the objective aspect of the mind, namely the multitude of other thoughts, all of which exist only by depending upon this first thought ‘I’. This multitude of thoughts is only a crowd of second person objects.

Source: The Path Of Sri Ramana Part Two By Sri Sadhu Om

Note: Moreover in srimad bhagavatam it is written

The mind is not to be killed.Mind or desire cannot be stopped, but to develop a desire to function for spiritual realization, the quality of engagement by the mind has to be changed. The mind is the pivot of the active sense organs, and as such if the quality of thinking,feeling and willing is changed, naturally the quality of actions by the instrumental senses will also change.

Srimad Bhagavatham, 2.1.17.

My Spritual Friend Viswanathan Garu wants to add few more points

In Sri Ramana Noorrirattu,under the chapter NaanYar , Bhagaan repeatedly uses the word Mana adakkam and I do not find the word mano nasam(killing of mind) anywhere.I consider the original Tamil version Nan yar as gospel..

Probability, when Naan Yar was translated in English/sanskrit, the word mano nasam has been introduced.This is the problem with translation of original tamil works of Bhagaan in other languages.As per Mr.Gangolli,in his video interview wide ,he says that mano nasam is not the appropriate word and mano nigraham is the proper word because the mind itself is non existence apart from Self and if so where is the question killing of non existence thing.

If you go through the English translation of Naan yar by Mr.Michel james whom i have highest regard,he uses the word mano nigraham only and not mano nasam and his transalion of Naan yar is reproduced below in italics.

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Since in every [true spiritual] treatise it is said that for attaining mukti [spiritual emancipation, liberation or salvation] it is necessary [for us] to restrain [our] mind, after knowing that mano-nigraha [holding down, holding within, restraining, subduing, suppressing or destroying our mind] is the ultimate intention [or purpose] of [such] treatises, there is no benefit [to be gained] by studying without limit [a countless number of] treatises. For restraining [our] mind it is necessary [for us] to investigate ourself [in order to know] who [we really are], [but] instead [of doing so] how [can we know ourself by] investigating in treatises?

Bhagavan has given a beautiful answer about the state of Samadhi also known as Jagrat Sushupthi and i quote from Guru Ramana under the chapter meditation and the answer was dated 12th Feb 1936 and is as follows:In Samadhi,the mind is in jagrat, but being free from thoughts,it enjoys the bliss of sushupti in which the mind is withdrawn.In samadhi,the mind is so alert that it experiences Brahman.if it were not so fully awake,how would it know Brahman?.

From this reply of Bhagaan,it is clear that in Samadhi state which as per Bhagavan is the state of self,mind is fully awake and is also alert.I am sure that this answer by Bhagavan will clear the doubt whether there is mind(thoughts) or not after realization.

There is another beautiful definition given by Swami Suddhananda wrt to difference between deep sleep state and Samadhi state and is as follows."In deep sleep, you are withdrawn but you are not aware that you are withdrawn where as in Samadhi state you are withdrawn and you are also aware that you are withdrawn.